JHU AAP AE 项目管理混乱，学校内斗严重，本届中国学生或将被退学50人+
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JHU AAP 项目向来有一个provisional student的说法，录取的时候bar很低，会录取很多数学成绩不符合资格的学生进来。然后强制大家上一门Math Method for Econ的课程，学校有一个霸王条款是，你在上这门课的这个学期的其他所有课程必须拿到B以上的成绩，如有一门低于B，将被学校直接开除。但是经济学专业的难度很大，同时国际学生必须要上4门课，3门core+1门数学才能保证F1 visa，因此workload骤高。
2022 Fall录取的中国同学们，目前有50人将要被开除，大家或多或少其他三门专业课都有一门拿到了B以下。这个项目管理混乱，老师都外聘的讲师，每门课的老师教学方法参差不齐，评分标准及curve标准也不统一。甚至有的课程的syllabus规定midterm exam和final exam的占比达到了50%+的weight，惊人！所谓两考定终身。这学期有几门课的教授挂了几十个人，也并不给curve。
目前中国学生正在集体写信进行上诉。但是据校内知情人士透露，AAP项目的领导政治内斗严重。项目管理层基本不作为，因为没有人想背锅丢乌纱帽。于是项目这几年越做越不好，开除了很多好老师好教授。高层被学校的老油条把持，面对中国学生的集体上诉，使用政治手段把这些矛盾和抗议压了下去，学校方被蒙在鼓里。这个项目纯为了赚钱招收很多中国学生，达不到苛刻的要求，就立刻开除，不给任何余地。
不同于其他研究生的退学条件，这个项目拿2个C就立刻退学。其他研究生项目大多连续两个学期低于3.0退学，一个学期低于3.0会给probation。
希望此事能在中国留学生媒体发酵，给予校方一定舆论压力。不想让大家没有书读。现在没退学的话，这些无家可归的孩子们会面临只能申请2024年的研究生，申请季已经结束。大家只能收拾东西退房回国。
接下来附上中国学生们近日向校方群发的抗议邮件全文，共两封。
第一封：
Dear KSAS and AAP Faculty Committee,
We are the current MS Applied Economics students with Provisional Status (Fall 2022 entry), and we are facing the risk of being dismissed the Applied Economics because of the unfair provisional student policy. We listed some unreasonable requirements for provisional students and put forward our ideas for improve part of policy.
Here are some main problems due to provisional students’ policy.
We are acknowledged that the policy of provisional students will be changed in the following semester: Students only need to pass with a B or above in the pre- requisite courses. Apparently, the university's admission recognizes that it is unfair for students to take four classes in a single semester while must earning a B or above. Graduate courses are more challenging than undergraduate courses; however, the AAP program requires provisional students without a good foundation to study at a higher intensity than students with a good foundation, so it is unreasonable. Since the university is aware of the unreasonable policy, it should change the policy in time. If the policy changes next semester, it is unfair to current students.
Most of the Applied Economics program professors are part-time, they are unfamiliar with program requirements, and some professors believe that students who get B- could pass the course. This is higher often the case in economics classes because most of the professors in economics classes would curve the grade at the end of the courses. Although some professors would curve the grade, they only curve to B- because they consider B- could help students pass the course based on the JHU academic policy instead of requirements for provisional students. However, they didn't get a grade of B- is not enough for provisional students, which would result in some provisional students failing the provisional requirement. The program fails to communicate well with the professors about the policy related to provisional students, and the provisional student policy would get professors into a mess.
The AAP program of JHU needs proper and complete guidelines for provisional students. It just says, "You must earn a grade of B or better in all courses taken while you are a provisional student". However, there are some provisional students who take the Math Method for Economists class during the summer session, and they would change their status after the summer semester. It means the requirement which is to earn a grade of B or better just for the math course.
However, some students would graduate from their undergraduate school in the summer, and they could handle the undergraduate courses and graduate courses together in the summer. Therefore, some students take the math course with the other three required courses in the fall semester; the grade requirement is for four courses. Although all of them are provisional students, their grade requirements are different. We consider that it is unfair, and the program should have the same criteria for provisional students.
Due to provisional status, we’ve already had one more class to take during the first semester than others which means we have more pressure from study than others but we need to get even higher grades in all of our classes under such a situation that’s already a paradox. Also the difficulty of the same classes but different professors varies a lot. That caused the passing or not passing more like a lucky random event but not according to how hard we learn, since with a relatively low difficulty, 99% of the students could pass the class with no doubt while in some classes half of the students may get C or below.
The AAP program has many international students, but the school needs to provide proper guidance to them before course selection. On the withdrawal process page, we just found the guideline, "Students have the right to drop or withdraw from a course, or courses, during an active semester by the designated deadline." It is misguiding, and students would consider they could drop the course, which gets a low grade before the deadline. When they tried to withdraw from a course, their advisor told them they would lose their F-1 visa if they dropped the course. Although they get a low grade on the midterm exam, they have to continue to study in the course to keep the F-1 visa, with a high probability of getting an "F" at the end of the semester.
The university emphasizes diversity development, so we consider the program to judge a student based on one course unreasonable. For example, if one student gets a C in one course But As in all other courses, the student would face dismissal because of only one C. However, other courses result could prove her academic ability, hence this student could not be judged just based on one course. Moreover, a mistake would cause her to lose all opportunities in their graduate students.
If students being dismissed, it would cause a significant negative impact on a student's academic career and future plans. According to the policy, our inability to meet a B or above will result in our dismissal. Dismissal can have a fatal impact on a student's ability to find employment or study at another school in the future. The provisional student's policy is unreasonable and unfair and would influence the careers of many provisional students. It is absurd to hold students accountable for the unfair policies of the program. It is also immoral and unfair that a student would be dismissed after one semester with a "B-" as JHU is a world-renowned university with a worldwide reputation that should be responsible for the future and academic career of its students.
Given these, we sincerely appeal for your kind consideration of changing the previous Provisional Status Policy. We appeal that
Provisional requirement should be applied to Math Method class only; but not restrict on other classes. we appeal removing previous provisional policy and replace it with getting a B or the Math Method Class. We are provisional students with weak math foundation, and it is more reasonable for us to show our math ability on math class.
Program should find a more appropriate way to make dismissal decision: such as a minimum GPA requirement for graduation; but not one single letter grade of B- or below.
Professors should consider curve grade according to the whole class performance instead of one or two well-performing students, because they could not represent other students.
The program should clarify the outdated and controversial policies, correct defects, and guarantee fair treatment for every student.
We support more diverse and flexible policy instead of judging students from one class or one exam.
Giving proper and clear guideline for students before each semester and different policy.
Thank you in advance for your help and understanding. We are looking for your reply.
Sincerely,
All the provisional students in Applied Economics Program
Parts of Student Signatures:
略
第二封：
Dear Dr.XXX,
Most of us received an invitation to a meeting from several staff members from AAP Advising, and based on the content of the meeting, I found that they were just reassuring us and getting rid of us. We were advised to accepting the reality and to being dismissed from the school and to apply again to the program after one year according to the policy. We don't think this current move by the school is going to help us in any way.
As you know our claim has nothing to do with grade appeal, this is a channel to give unreasonable scores to professors or to violate syllabus, it has nothing to do with our claim that the policy is unreasonable and leads to a large number of international students facing dismissal in the first semester. It's a complete action of getting rid of us and passing the buck, which has nothing to do with using grade appeal as a channel. If we were to appeal, we would each need to appeal even 2-3 courses, and that shows how flawed the curriculum and the teaching of the teachers in this program is.
We believe that the school's policy, including facing dismissal after receiving a grade of B- or below, are extremely unreasonable. Most dismissal policy from other graduate schools are that student will be probation after have a GPA of 3.0 or below, and two consecutive semesters of 3.0 or below will cause they dismissed, so this system at JHU AAP is extremely unreasonable. It's ridiculous that I would be dismissed if I get A's in three classes and C's in one class.
Our claim is
The college should change the policy that a provisional student will be dismissed if he/she gets a single grade below B. Provisional courses should be judged separately.
The college should come up with a more reasonable policy, such as send out dismissal decision after two consecutive semesters with an overall GPA below 3.0.
Many instructors in our program are not professional instructors but temporary teachers, the teaching quality of each teacher varies, the grading scale is not uniform and unreasonable, the weights of exam of many courses even reach 30%-60%, the standard of giving curves are not vague
The largest group of international students in our program is Chinese students, and we have many people in class 2022 who only admission letters in July and August, unlike previous students who had the opportunity to finish the provisional course in the summer. We are facing 3 graduate courses and one more math course (covering all materials of undergraduate calc 1-calc 3 in one semester), which is a huge workload and pressure, and then facing unreasonable policies. If this unreasonable event happens in the first semester resulting in a large number of international students being dismissed, it will have a very negative impact on both JHU and the AAP program. So we need to communicate with the college administration about the unreasonable policy, rather than the college sending staff to appease and suppress us.
第二封译文：
我们大部分人收到了AAP Advising的几位工作人员的会议邀请，根据会议内容，我发现他们只是在安慰我们，打发我们。建议我们认命，被学校开除，并且根据政策自行一年以后再次申请这个专业。我们不认为学校目前的这个举措对我们有任何的帮助。
并且学院工作人员还有统一的话术去让我们进行grade appeal。众所周知我们的诉求和grade appeal无关，这个通道是给教授的打分不合理或违反syllabus的通道，与我们对于政策不合理，导致大量国际学生第一学期就面临开除的诉求不相关。这完全是一个打发和推卸责任的行为，这和使用grade appeal这个通道无关。如果要appeal的话，我们每个人甚至需要appeal 2-3门课程，那足以说明这个项目的课程设置和老师的教学是多么的有缺陷。
我们认为项目不合理的制度安排，包括拿到B-以下的成绩就面临开除，极不合理。其他学校的研究生大多数是3.0以下的GPA才会probation，连续两个学期3.0以下才会被开除，所以JHU AAP的这个制度极不合理。我如果三门课拿A，一门课拿C就会被开除，这很可笑。
我们的诉求是1.学院应改变provisional student拿B以下就要被开除的政策，provisional的课程应该单独评判 2.学校应该出台更合理的政策，比如通过overall GPA连续两个学期低于3.0再发出退学决定。 3.我们这个项目的很多教授是临时代课老师，每个老师的教学质量参差不齐，评分标准也不统一、不合理，很多课程exam的weights甚至达到了30%-60%，这是非常不合理的，一考定胜负的制度。老师给curve的标准也不统一，所以我们这学期的成绩都受到了影响。
我们这个项目最大的国际学生生源是中国学生，我们这一届有很多人在7、8月份才拿到录取通知书，不像往届的学生有机会在暑假上完provisional课程。我们面对3门研究生专业课，同时多上一门数学课（在一个学期内内容涵盖本科calc1-calc3），本身workload和压力就很大，再面临不合理的政策。如果第一个学期发生这种不合理的事件导致几十上百名国际学生被退学，这对于JHU和AAP项目都是非常负面的影响。所以我们需要和学院管理层对于不合理的政策进行沟通和改善，而不是学院派工作人员来进行安抚，对这件事情进行打压和打发。
目前知情的学校教授全部被管理层下了封口令，不允许和任何学生联系，并且收到了辞退警告。有良知的教授们面对这个情况无法发声。学校方的provost办公室派了vice provost下来调查，目前也被AAP管理层的老油条们蒙在鼓里，没有人愿意担责任，都在踢皮球，想办法解决提出问题的人——学生。
AAP项目从设立之初就乱象丛生。往年同样的方法辞退了很多学生和教授，教授流动性极高。往年辞退的学生人数少，所以掀不起波澜。今年扩招了几百名中国学生，因此这个苛刻的政策导致保守估计50+以上的中国学生会受到退学影响。
希望此事能在中国留学生媒体发酵，给予校方一定舆论压力。不想让孩子们没有书读。现在被退学的话，这些无家可归的孩子们会面临只能申请2024年的研究生，申请季已经结束。大家只能收拾东西，租房毁约，卖掉家具，买机票回国。
感谢大家的关注！！请动动手转发，救救孩子们！
2022 Fall录取的中国同学们，目前有50人将要被开除，大家或多或少其他三门专业课都有一门拿到了B以下。这个项目管理混乱，老师都外聘的讲师，每门课的老师教学方法参差不齐，评分标准及curve标准也不统一。甚至有的课程的syllabus规定midterm exam和final exam的占比达到了50%+的weight，惊人！所谓两考定终身。这学期有几门课的教授挂了几十个人，也并不给curve。
目前中国学生正在集体写信进行上诉。但是据校内知情人士透露，AAP项目的领导政治内斗严重。项目管理层基本不作为，因为没有人想背锅丢乌纱帽。于是项目这几年越做越不好，开除了很多好老师好教授。高层被学校的老油条把持，面对中国学生的集体上诉，使用政治手段把这些矛盾和抗议压了下去，学校方被蒙在鼓里。这个项目纯为了赚钱招收很多中国学生，达不到苛刻的要求，就立刻开除，不给任何余地。
不同于其他研究生的退学条件，这个项目拿2个C就立刻退学。其他研究生项目大多连续两个学期低于3.0退学，一个学期低于3.0会给probation。
希望此事能在中国留学生媒体发酵，给予校方一定舆论压力。不想让大家没有书读。现在没退学的话，这些无家可归的孩子们会面临只能申请2024年的研究生，申请季已经结束。大家只能收拾东西退房回国。
接下来附上中国学生们近日向校方群发的抗议邮件全文，共两封。
第一封：
Dear KSAS and AAP Faculty Committee,
We are the current MS Applied Economics students with Provisional Status (Fall 2022 entry), and we are facing the risk of being dismissed the Applied Economics because of the unfair provisional student policy. We listed some unreasonable requirements for provisional students and put forward our ideas for improve part of policy.
Here are some main problems due to provisional students’ policy.
We are acknowledged that the policy of provisional students will be changed in the following semester: Students only need to pass with a B or above in the pre- requisite courses. Apparently, the university's admission recognizes that it is unfair for students to take four classes in a single semester while must earning a B or above. Graduate courses are more challenging than undergraduate courses; however, the AAP program requires provisional students without a good foundation to study at a higher intensity than students with a good foundation, so it is unreasonable. Since the university is aware of the unreasonable policy, it should change the policy in time. If the policy changes next semester, it is unfair to current students.
Most of the Applied Economics program professors are part-time, they are unfamiliar with program requirements, and some professors believe that students who get B- could pass the course. This is higher often the case in economics classes because most of the professors in economics classes would curve the grade at the end of the courses. Although some professors would curve the grade, they only curve to B- because they consider B- could help students pass the course based on the JHU academic policy instead of requirements for provisional students. However, they didn't get a grade of B- is not enough for provisional students, which would result in some provisional students failing the provisional requirement. The program fails to communicate well with the professors about the policy related to provisional students, and the provisional student policy would get professors into a mess.
The AAP program of JHU needs proper and complete guidelines for provisional students. It just says, "You must earn a grade of B or better in all courses taken while you are a provisional student". However, there are some provisional students who take the Math Method for Economists class during the summer session, and they would change their status after the summer semester. It means the requirement which is to earn a grade of B or better just for the math course.
However, some students would graduate from their undergraduate school in the summer, and they could handle the undergraduate courses and graduate courses together in the summer. Therefore, some students take the math course with the other three required courses in the fall semester; the grade requirement is for four courses. Although all of them are provisional students, their grade requirements are different. We consider that it is unfair, and the program should have the same criteria for provisional students.
Due to provisional status, we’ve already had one more class to take during the first semester than others which means we have more pressure from study than others but we need to get even higher grades in all of our classes under such a situation that’s already a paradox. Also the difficulty of the same classes but different professors varies a lot. That caused the passing or not passing more like a lucky random event but not according to how hard we learn, since with a relatively low difficulty, 99% of the students could pass the class with no doubt while in some classes half of the students may get C or below.
The AAP program has many international students, but the school needs to provide proper guidance to them before course selection. On the withdrawal process page, we just found the guideline, "Students have the right to drop or withdraw from a course, or courses, during an active semester by the designated deadline." It is misguiding, and students would consider they could drop the course, which gets a low grade before the deadline. When they tried to withdraw from a course, their advisor told them they would lose their F-1 visa if they dropped the course. Although they get a low grade on the midterm exam, they have to continue to study in the course to keep the F-1 visa, with a high probability of getting an "F" at the end of the semester.
The university emphasizes diversity development, so we consider the program to judge a student based on one course unreasonable. For example, if one student gets a C in one course But As in all other courses, the student would face dismissal because of only one C. However, other courses result could prove her academic ability, hence this student could not be judged just based on one course. Moreover, a mistake would cause her to lose all opportunities in their graduate students.
If students being dismissed, it would cause a significant negative impact on a student's academic career and future plans. According to the policy, our inability to meet a B or above will result in our dismissal. Dismissal can have a fatal impact on a student's ability to find employment or study at another school in the future. The provisional student's policy is unreasonable and unfair and would influence the careers of many provisional students. It is absurd to hold students accountable for the unfair policies of the program. It is also immoral and unfair that a student would be dismissed after one semester with a "B-" as JHU is a world-renowned university with a worldwide reputation that should be responsible for the future and academic career of its students.
Given these, we sincerely appeal for your kind consideration of changing the previous Provisional Status Policy. We appeal that
Provisional requirement should be applied to Math Method class only; but not restrict on other classes. we appeal removing previous provisional policy and replace it with getting a B or the Math Method Class. We are provisional students with weak math foundation, and it is more reasonable for us to show our math ability on math class.
Program should find a more appropriate way to make dismissal decision: such as a minimum GPA requirement for graduation; but not one single letter grade of B- or below.
Professors should consider curve grade according to the whole class performance instead of one or two well-performing students, because they could not represent other students.
The program should clarify the outdated and controversial policies, correct defects, and guarantee fair treatment for every student.
We support more diverse and flexible policy instead of judging students from one class or one exam.
Giving proper and clear guideline for students before each semester and different policy.
Thank you in advance for your help and understanding. We are looking for your reply.
Sincerely,
All the provisional students in Applied Economics Program
Parts of Student Signatures:
略
第二封：
Dear Dr.XXX,
Most of us received an invitation to a meeting from several staff members from AAP Advising, and based on the content of the meeting, I found that they were just reassuring us and getting rid of us. We were advised to accepting the reality and to being dismissed from the school and to apply again to the program after one year according to the policy. We don't think this current move by the school is going to help us in any way.
As you know our claim has nothing to do with grade appeal, this is a channel to give unreasonable scores to professors or to violate syllabus, it has nothing to do with our claim that the policy is unreasonable and leads to a large number of international students facing dismissal in the first semester. It's a complete action of getting rid of us and passing the buck, which has nothing to do with using grade appeal as a channel. If we were to appeal, we would each need to appeal even 2-3 courses, and that shows how flawed the curriculum and the teaching of the teachers in this program is.
We believe that the school's policy, including facing dismissal after receiving a grade of B- or below, are extremely unreasonable. Most dismissal policy from other graduate schools are that student will be probation after have a GPA of 3.0 or below, and two consecutive semesters of 3.0 or below will cause they dismissed, so this system at JHU AAP is extremely unreasonable. It's ridiculous that I would be dismissed if I get A's in three classes and C's in one class.
Our claim is
The college should change the policy that a provisional student will be dismissed if he/she gets a single grade below B. Provisional courses should be judged separately.
The college should come up with a more reasonable policy, such as send out dismissal decision after two consecutive semesters with an overall GPA below 3.0.
Many instructors in our program are not professional instructors but temporary teachers, the teaching quality of each teacher varies, the grading scale is not uniform and unreasonable, the weights of exam of many courses even reach 30%-60%, the standard of giving curves are not vague
The largest group of international students in our program is Chinese students, and we have many people in class 2022 who only admission letters in July and August, unlike previous students who had the opportunity to finish the provisional course in the summer. We are facing 3 graduate courses and one more math course (covering all materials of undergraduate calc 1-calc 3 in one semester), which is a huge workload and pressure, and then facing unreasonable policies. If this unreasonable event happens in the first semester resulting in a large number of international students being dismissed, it will have a very negative impact on both JHU and the AAP program. So we need to communicate with the college administration about the unreasonable policy, rather than the college sending staff to appease and suppress us.
第二封译文：
我们大部分人收到了AAP Advising的几位工作人员的会议邀请，根据会议内容，我发现他们只是在安慰我们，打发我们。建议我们认命，被学校开除，并且根据政策自行一年以后再次申请这个专业。我们不认为学校目前的这个举措对我们有任何的帮助。
并且学院工作人员还有统一的话术去让我们进行grade appeal。众所周知我们的诉求和grade appeal无关，这个通道是给教授的打分不合理或违反syllabus的通道，与我们对于政策不合理，导致大量国际学生第一学期就面临开除的诉求不相关。这完全是一个打发和推卸责任的行为，这和使用grade appeal这个通道无关。如果要appeal的话，我们每个人甚至需要appeal 2-3门课程，那足以说明这个项目的课程设置和老师的教学是多么的有缺陷。
我们认为项目不合理的制度安排，包括拿到B-以下的成绩就面临开除，极不合理。其他学校的研究生大多数是3.0以下的GPA才会probation，连续两个学期3.0以下才会被开除，所以JHU AAP的这个制度极不合理。我如果三门课拿A，一门课拿C就会被开除，这很可笑。
我们的诉求是1.学院应改变provisional student拿B以下就要被开除的政策，provisional的课程应该单独评判 2.学校应该出台更合理的政策，比如通过overall GPA连续两个学期低于3.0再发出退学决定。 3.我们这个项目的很多教授是临时代课老师，每个老师的教学质量参差不齐，评分标准也不统一、不合理，很多课程exam的weights甚至达到了30%-60%，这是非常不合理的，一考定胜负的制度。老师给curve的标准也不统一，所以我们这学期的成绩都受到了影响。
我们这个项目最大的国际学生生源是中国学生，我们这一届有很多人在7、8月份才拿到录取通知书，不像往届的学生有机会在暑假上完provisional课程。我们面对3门研究生专业课，同时多上一门数学课（在一个学期内内容涵盖本科calc1-calc3），本身workload和压力就很大，再面临不合理的政策。如果第一个学期发生这种不合理的事件导致几十上百名国际学生被退学，这对于JHU和AAP项目都是非常负面的影响。所以我们需要和学院管理层对于不合理的政策进行沟通和改善，而不是学院派工作人员来进行安抚，对这件事情进行打压和打发。
目前知情的学校教授全部被管理层下了封口令，不允许和任何学生联系，并且收到了辞退警告。有良知的教授们面对这个情况无法发声。学校方的provost办公室派了vice provost下来调查，目前也被AAP管理层的老油条们蒙在鼓里，没有人愿意担责任，都在踢皮球，想办法解决提出问题的人——学生。
AAP项目从设立之初就乱象丛生。往年同样的方法辞退了很多学生和教授，教授流动性极高。往年辞退的学生人数少，所以掀不起波澜。今年扩招了几百名中国学生，因此这个苛刻的政策导致保守估计50+以上的中国学生会受到退学影响。
希望此事能在中国留学生媒体发酵，给予校方一定舆论压力。不想让孩子们没有书读。现在被退学的话，这些无家可归的孩子们会面临只能申请2024年的研究生，申请季已经结束。大家只能收拾东西，租房毁约，卖掉家具，买机票回国。
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