run stop sign被ICE威胁后self deport
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今天看到这个帖子
Verify了 ECEN grad 确实有这个邮件
然后刚才学校又发了一个邮件做申明
我GPT聊了一下这个事情当事人的权利和ICE的权力 分享给大家
1. Do they have the right to actually send me/him to Alligator prison
No — ICE does not have the right to arbitrarily send you to a place like “Alligator Alcatraz” (likely slang for a harsh detention center) without due process.
Let’s break this down:
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🧾 What ICE Can Legally Do
1. If they suspect you violated your visa status, they can:
Detain you temporarily in an immigration detention center if authorized, and
Start removal (deportation) proceedings through immigration court.
2. They cannot:
Deport you on the spot.
Force you to leave the U.S. without a hearing.
Punish you for a traffic violation unless it reveals an underlying visa violation.
3. They must give you a Notice to Appear (NTA) in front of an immigration judge if they want to remove you.
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🏛️ “Alligator Alcatraz” — What’s That?
This is not an official name — it’s slang or exaggeration, probably referring to a notoriously harsh ICE detention facility, like:
Adelanto Detention Center (California),
South Texas Detention Complex, etc.
These are real immigration jails, often criticized for poor conditions — but ICE cannot send you there unless you are formally detained.
⸻
⚠️ So Can ICE Threaten That?
They should not, but they sometimes do to pressure people into “self-deportation.”
These tactics are not legal due process — and you’re not obligated to comply with threats.
⸻
✅ What You Should Do
If ICE shows up: Don’t open the door, ask for a judicial warrant, and call a lawyer.
If they detain you: Demand your right to a lawyer and a hearing.
Don’t sign voluntary departure forms or anything under pressure.
2. 🇺🇸 Your Rights as an F-1 Visa Holder (Even If ICE Approaches You)
1. You do not have to open the door unless ICE has a judicial warrant signed by a judge.
→ Administrative ICE warrants (Forms I-200/I-205) are not enough.
2. You have the right to remain silent.
→ You do not have to answer questions about your immigration status.
3. You can ask for a lawyer and refuse to sign anything without legal counsel.
4. You have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge.
→ You cannot be forced to leave without due process.
5. Do not lie or present fake documents.
→ That can hurt your case more than silence.
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⚠️ What Happened in the Reddit Case
A chemistry post-doc on a visa got a $209 ticket for running a stop sign on a scooter.
University Police reported the ticket to a national database, which may have triggered an ICE flag.
ICE agents came to his home and allegedly threatened to detain him unless he left the country.
Out of fear, he voluntarily returned to his home country.
Verify了 ECEN grad 确实有这个邮件
然后刚才学校又发了一个邮件做申明
我GPT聊了一下这个事情当事人的权利和ICE的权力 分享给大家
1. Do they have the right to actually send me/him to Alligator prison
No — ICE does not have the right to arbitrarily send you to a place like “Alligator Alcatraz” (likely slang for a harsh detention center) without due process.
Let’s break this down:
⸻
🧾 What ICE Can Legally Do
1. If they suspect you violated your visa status, they can:
Detain you temporarily in an immigration detention center if authorized, and
Start removal (deportation) proceedings through immigration court.
2. They cannot:
Deport you on the spot.
Force you to leave the U.S. without a hearing.
Punish you for a traffic violation unless it reveals an underlying visa violation.
3. They must give you a Notice to Appear (NTA) in front of an immigration judge if they want to remove you.
⸻
🏛️ “Alligator Alcatraz” — What’s That?
This is not an official name — it’s slang or exaggeration, probably referring to a notoriously harsh ICE detention facility, like:
Adelanto Detention Center (California),
South Texas Detention Complex, etc.
These are real immigration jails, often criticized for poor conditions — but ICE cannot send you there unless you are formally detained.
⸻
⚠️ So Can ICE Threaten That?
They should not, but they sometimes do to pressure people into “self-deportation.”
These tactics are not legal due process — and you’re not obligated to comply with threats.
⸻
✅ What You Should Do
If ICE shows up: Don’t open the door, ask for a judicial warrant, and call a lawyer.
If they detain you: Demand your right to a lawyer and a hearing.
Don’t sign voluntary departure forms or anything under pressure.
2. 🇺🇸 Your Rights as an F-1 Visa Holder (Even If ICE Approaches You)
1. You do not have to open the door unless ICE has a judicial warrant signed by a judge.
→ Administrative ICE warrants (Forms I-200/I-205) are not enough.
2. You have the right to remain silent.
→ You do not have to answer questions about your immigration status.
3. You can ask for a lawyer and refuse to sign anything without legal counsel.
4. You have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge.
→ You cannot be forced to leave without due process.
5. Do not lie or present fake documents.
→ That can hurt your case more than silence.
⸻
⚠️ What Happened in the Reddit Case
A chemistry post-doc on a visa got a $209 ticket for running a stop sign on a scooter.
University Police reported the ticket to a national database, which may have triggered an ICE flag.
ICE agents came to his home and allegedly threatened to detain him unless he left the country.
Out of fear, he voluntarily returned to his home country.
